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ffdotnetrantsJune 4th 2012 -- Notices: •Please note we would like to clarify the content policy we have in place since 2002. FanFiction.Net follows the Fiction Rating system ranging from Fiction K to Fiction M. Although Fiction Ratings goes up to Fiction MA, FanFiction.Net since 2002 has not allowed Fiction MA rated content which can contain adult/explicit content on the site. FanFiction.Net only accepts content in the Fiction K through Fiction M range. Fiction M can contain adult language, themes and suggestions. Detailed descriptions of physical interaction of sexual or violent nature is considered Fiction MA and has not been allowed on the site since 2002.
No word about summaries needing to be rated K, though...
ETA: Yes, I see it in the general rules that you need to consent to before posting a story, but they haven't mentioned it in their latest heads-up.
No word about summaries needing to be rated K, though...
ETA: Yes, I see it in the general rules that you need to consent to before posting a story, but they haven't mentioned it in their latest heads-up.
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Date: 2012-06-04 03:46 am (UTC)Edited to add: Yeah, the whole graphic sex I understand, but violent nature? Say you write a zombie fic. How violent is too violent? I don't understand!!!
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Date: 2012-06-04 03:52 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-06-04 04:04 am (UTC)Batman was walking down the streets of Gotham. He heard the shouts of a person in pain. Within seconds, he spotted the culprit attacking a poor civilian. He lands behind the criminal and goes to punch... no wait... too violent. Umm... taser... no that can be violent, too. Uses his utility belt to pull out some rope and tie... But maybe rope burn is to violent. Reluctantly, Batman hits the criminal on the head with a dog's plastic hammer squeaker toy. *next day you find your fix has been deleted for graphic violence*
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Date: 2012-06-04 03:56 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2012-06-04 03:59 am (UTC)Some fandoms like Torchwood are adult. Torchwood was shown after 9pm and was considered an adults only show. So many of the fics produced have very adult themes. Does M = no slash which goes against the entire history of fanfiction since the 1960's where the term came from Spock/Kirk and so on. I can't write het fic. I loathe it. I am interested in exploring male sexuality. I can't write rainbows and happy skipping bunnies who do nothing but smile sining in lalala as htey head off into the sunset.
So eveyrthing I write I automatically lable M becuase i know that the themes are darker.
Using their rating system Harry Potter would be MA it is extremly violent explicitly so. So using that example and as I write mainly angst driven romances I figured that M meant everything except the strange and wierd. Blood play B&D.
They need to be much clearer considering the cultural diversity of the writers which span every country on this earth.
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Date: 2012-06-04 04:23 am (UTC)The whole "violent nature" part baffles me. In one of my fics I went a little descriptive on how a character's sister was killed. But I did that to try to show the horror because she saw her sister get killed. It's one of those images that will be forever engraved into her brain. That story is rated M, really just for that scene alone which happens later. I even toned it down from the original. Would they think that MA or M?
Oh FFN. Stop with the useless vague crap.
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Date: 2012-06-04 04:24 am (UTC)What a load of unmentionable. This is the most unhelpful phrase ever. Themes? Suggestions? Say what. And you call yourself a site that: "unleashes the imaginations?!"
"Detailed descriptions of physical interaction of sexual or violent nature is considered Fiction MA and has not been allowed on the site since 2002."
WELL. There goes 75% of the site. No ffnet, seriously. What if I give a little bit of a description about oral sex? Is that banned? Can you be more oblique? ...Wait, no, you probably actually could
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Date: 2012-06-04 04:46 am (UTC)It would be too good to be true if it were because of the fact that they're loosing a lot of members/stories...
And yeah I get that MA hasn't been allowed since 2002 (I used to be around when it was still allowed... jesus, I'm getting old...), but come on... I get that it's their page, their rules and what not, but the smut's been around for ages and nobody had a problem with it, ... if this suddenly disturbted them so effin' much the least they could've done is give a warning, so the members could've transfered/downloaded their stories/reviews... (Again, it's FFN so no surprise there)
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Date: 2012-06-04 08:44 am (UTC)Thus far I haven't been hit by the purge. I've edited my summaries to make them more vague and moved a story I had rated as T to M - just in case. I've also added my name to the AO3 waiting list.
But, like many I remain confused about what ff.n term as explicit, particularly with regards to violence. I have seen many movies for children where the violence has shocked me - the end of "Revenge of the Sith" anyone? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows pt 2 (Snape's death) - and I've covered my youngest son's eyes. These movies get a PG-13 rating or a 12A rating for us Brits, but if a fanfic author were to describe similar scenes of violence in their fics would they be breaking the M rating on ff.n?
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Date: 2012-06-04 11:05 am (UTC)It's hard to tell with the site. I doubt they check anything to ascertain whether or not it is M or T and probably go by the "if it looks bad, delete it" mantra. They judge how violent so we have no way of knowing.
It seems as if they are judging by movie violence/sexual standards rather than writing standards because in the publishing world you can get by with way more with a lower rating (Hunger Games for example) than you can with movies.
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Date: 2012-06-05 09:55 am (UTC)I don't really write smut, and if I do I take the scene out before posting ff.n, but I do write violence, and I always rate the stories "M" where it's more descriptive. I have read much worse violence than I write in novels and I have seen worse violence in movies meant for 16 years and up. However, it's all very subjective.
Taking whole stories down because of a word in the summary is just silly... I mean - what five year old is surfing ff.n?
I've just started reading Hunger Games... : )
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Date: 2012-06-05 03:22 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-06-05 09:57 am (UTC)I have been reading in other places that it looks like the purge is over, or slowing.
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Date: 2012-06-04 03:56 pm (UTC)There wasn't even the need to post a news on the site about this, in my opinion, people should just read rules and terms of service if they're going to post something.
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Date: 2012-06-04 04:23 pm (UTC)Then again, I guess that just goes hand-in-hand with their aversion to things of an explicit nature.
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Date: 2012-06-04 05:11 pm (UTC)And this is the problem.
It's been ten years. We're deep into the 21th century; we should be going ahead, not backwards.
It's been ten years of having those M stories that would be actually MA according to your obsolete rules there, FF.Net. And no one has taken an issue to your page for them before this. Just give a huge chunk of the fandoms what they want and create a MA section for us. Grow up.
Not to mention I find the notion of a middle category between T and M ridiculous. Okay, so you are mature, but not mature enough to be shown how sex works? Then you aren't mature at all!
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Date: 2012-06-05 02:00 am (UTC)Clearly, I'm waiting to have a pitchfork up my rear end in a minuet because I pride myself on sensual work...not graphic work...still, I'm sitting here biting my lip as I wait for the hammer to drop because of a few of my lovely lines that I've placed in a few fan fictions. none of them are bad, and I've read far worse, but the fact is, I'm simply worried I'll be targets.
With how wonderfully vague they are, even being gay could mean "I no likey your fiction, you good writer, must go poof!" Sadly, much to the dismay of myself, and many others, that's (in and of itself at any rate) simply not the reason to delete anything...sigh.
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Date: 2012-06-05 06:32 am (UTC)